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TMC:
Nur eine Meinung, Quelle: http://vowe.net/archives/005810.html

IBM sucks. The people in control aren't the creative people. The people in control have no idea what it takes to build something useful and build something right, they just think it's their job to kick development's ass into working a little longer, a little harder.


Really. This whole Workplace thing is a sad joke. All those rich profits they keep anticipating from it will never materialize, and their response will be to punish development more. "Death spiral" comes to mind.
— Damien Katz, 2005-04-22 21:54

Marinero Atlántico:
Hier die für mich wirklich nicht mehr leicht schockierenden Auszüge aus dem Blog, auf das sich vowe bezog:
http://www.developingstorm.com/2005/04/my-hardest-interview-question.php

--- Zitat ---Sure there were tricky technical issues I faced but they were nothing compared to the bureaucratic mess - goat rodeo - cluster fuck, that was Workplace 1.1 and 2.0. (2.5 is better and 1.0 was a lot of fun but they're both different stories).
he worst example of a procedural problem gone out of control was the Portal install. In Workplace 1.1 and much of 2.0 when you needed to install the latest build of Portal server it took anywhere from two days, if you were lucky, to a week or more of tedious hand editing of configuration files before the server would run. There was no automation for the process and no organizational investment in automating the process, so every few weeks all progress on Workplace would grind to a halt as people manually updated their servers.

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Also nochmal: "[Portal Install] There was no automation for the process and no organizational investment in automating the process, so every few weeks all progress on Workplace would grind to halt as people manually updated their servers".
[Portal Install] There was no automation for the process and no organizational investment in automating the process
[Portal Install] There was no automation for the process and no organizational investment in automating the process
HEY. DAS IST FUCKING UNGLAUBLICH!!!

--- Zitat --- In comparison to the mind numbing procedural issues faced on Workplace, database deadlocks and thread safety errors paled as problems; days spent pouring over pages of logs looking for hints to a problem were a luxury and rewriting large chunks of someone else's code at the last minute to fix a critical issue was simple child's play.

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Die Diskussion ging weiter. Ich mußte natürlich auch was sagen, stelle aber mich nicht auf die selbe Stufe zu Damien Katz, dessen Stimme (hoffentlich auch bei IBM) ein gewisses Gewicht in Sachen Glaubwürdigkeit hat:

Damien, I'm not sure having the creative people in control is the best business model to follow.
— Tony S Lee, 2005-04-22 22:19 (typical IBM a****** (englisches Wort mit 7 Buchstaben, beliebt auf Bile-Blog)

Tony you are right.
For business model you need to define target groups:
"stupid developer who needs java super-platform"
"stupid customer who needs loads of buzzword"
I have bad subjective feeling with workplace, too.
Will it scale, this xml stuff?
Personally I find more fun spring and jboss.
There is nearly zero echo to workplace in popular java sites like javablogs or javaranch.
Doesn't workplace need community?
Is anybody currently reading articles on notes.net?
I am used to that installation of IBM products has lots of gotchas (with some exceptions like wsad or, hey, lotus domino).
Actually, our backyard hardcore programmers told me that workplace express is easy to install. The non-express full product is different story. But appears as if you need to know a lot of stuff to get something deployed.
At the moment they like much more to code their own Eclipse RCP stuff instead of Workplace.
Thanks for posting this vowe. Sorry for posting so long, stupid text.

Axel
— Axel Janssen, 2005-04-22 23:47

Semeaphoros:
Naja, mit dem Ton, den Damien anschlägt, der für einen Amerikaner äusserst ungewöhnlich ist, wird er bei IBM garantiert nicht ernst genommen. Ich befürchte, dass zwischen ihm und IBM in letzter Zeit irgendwas vorgefallen ist. Gleichzeitig wundert es mich, dass er nach relativ kurzer Zeit bei Kubi wieder ausgeschieden ist. Klar hat Kubi Personal abgebaut, trotzdem sieht es aber so aus, wie wenn sie fähige Entwickler einstellen ...... I am puzzled .....

koehlerbv:
Ein kurzes Statement: Ich schätze Damien Katz sehr. Mit der zitierten Meinung steigt er nochmals in meiner Achtung. Und ich bin gelassen gespannt, wie
- IBM Workplace Ende des Jahres heissen wird,
- welche Ziele dann damit verfolgt werden,
- und wo das schliesslich irgendwann mal enden wird.

Würde IBM auf breitere Schichten wirklich mal hören, fände ich dies eine wirklich sensationelle Neuerung.

Bernhard

Marinero Atlántico:
Naja. Letztlich können wir nur spekulieren.
Ich persönlich hab zur Zeit kein gutes Gefühl was Workplace betrifft.
Bea und Sun sind mit einer ähnlichen Super-Java-Plattform, die es dem User extrem einfach macht gescheitert.
Aber dieser Vergleich ist natürlich auch nur rein subjektiv.
Jedenfalls haben die eine Menge Konkurrenz. Microsoft. Open Soures. Oracle wird besser. Mischlösungen Kommerziell/Open Source.
Also mir machen Sachen, die zwar kontrolliert aber mit mehr source code sind, mehr Spaß.

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