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Sametime Community Server 8.5 - Stabilitätsprobleme
eknori:
Kann mal bitte jemand in seinem Sametime_.log gucken, ob da auch die folgenden Zeilen für das Chat Logging auftauchen?
--- Zitat ---I ChatLoggin 01/Jul/10, 17:35:03 Setting exception handler for service ChatLogging
I ChatLoggin 01/Jul/10, 17:35:03 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I ChatLoggin 01/Jul/10, 17:35:06 ChatLoggingMgr::setMode: mode <1>
E ChatLoggin 01/Jul/10, 17:35:06 Failed to load chatLogging BB or find one of its functions
E ChatLoggin 01/Jul/10, 17:35:06 Logging initialization failed for ChatLog library []
I ChatLoggin 01/Jul/10, 17:35:06 Terminated
--- Ende Zitat ---
Würde zumindest erklären, warum der Service nicht läuft.
In der Config ist der Wert auf "Wenn verfügbar" gesetzt
hallo.dirk:
Mist, bin schon unterwegs.... ich muss mal schauen ob ich nachher da drannkomme, dass kann aber noch 1-2 Stunden dauern
eknori:
egal, ich bin eh gleich unterwegs zurück ins Hotel. Da kippe ich mir die Birne zu und vergesse den ganzen Sche***
Hier mal meine log. Kannst ja mal gucken, ob du was findest. (Chat Logging , serverseitig habe ich jetzt auf NIE stehen )
--- Zitat ---I UserInfo 01/Jul/10, 17:51:14 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I StAuthenti 01/Jul/10, 17:52:08 LDAP version of authentication initialized debug for StAuthenticationLdap_STT120MCU
I Log 01/Jul/10, 17:52:11 Notes version of Log initializes debug for D:\domino\stmeetinglogger.exe
I StAuthenti 01/Jul/10, 17:52:15 LDAP version of authentication initialized debug for StAuthenticationLdap_STWBServer
I StAuthenti 01/Jul/10, 17:52:34 LDAP version of authentication initialized debug for StAuthenticationLdap_stav
I StAuthenti 01/Jul/10, 17:52:36 LDAP version of authentication initialized debug for StAuthenticationLdap_STAuthenticationServer
I Server 01/Jul/10, 17:53:51 Setting exception handler for service Server
I Server 01/Jul/10, 17:53:51 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Server 01/Jul/10, 17:53:51 Community name for client use is set to dewvst01.witte-velbert.de for server 10.14.50.112
I Config 01/Jul/10, 17:53:52 Setting exception handler for service Config
I Config 01/Jul/10, 17:53:52 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Config 01/Jul/10, 17:53:52 Initialized StConfig.dll file interface, version 8.5.0.0
I Config 01/Jul/10, 17:53:52 Initialization completed
I Logger 01/Jul/10, 17:53:54 Setting exception handler for service Logger
I Logger 01/Jul/10, 17:53:54 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Log 01/Jul/10, 17:53:54 Notes version of Log initializes debug for D:\domino\StLogger.exe
I Log 01/Jul/10, 17:53:54 Initialized Log notes interface, version 8.5.0.0
I Log 01/Jul/10, 17:53:55 Initialization completed
I Places 01/Jul/10, 17:53:55 Setting exception handler for service Places
I Places 01/Jul/10, 17:53:55 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Places 01/Jul/10, 17:53:55 Places is operating in mode OFF (0)
I Users 01/Jul/10, 17:53:56 Setting exception handler for service Users
I Users 01/Jul/10, 17:53:56 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I StAuthenti 01/Jul/10, 17:53:56 LDAP version of authentication initialized debug for StAuthenticationLdap_StUsers
I TokenAuthe 01/Jul/10, 17:53:57 Initialized authentication ldap interface, version 8.5.0.0
I TokenAuthe 01/Jul/10, 17:53:57 Initialization completed
I OnlineDir 01/Jul/10, 17:53:57 Setting exception handler for service OnlineDir
I OnlineDir 01/Jul/10, 17:53:57 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I STPresenceCompatibility 01/Jul/10, 17:54:01 ,started version 8.5.0.6
I STPresenceCompatibility 01/Jul/10, 17:54:05 logged in
I STPresence 01/Jul/10, 17:54:05 ,started version 8.5.0.6
I STPresence 01/Jul/10, 17:54:09 logged in
I STPresenceSubscriptions 01/Jul/10, 17:54:10 ,started version 8.5.0.6
I STPresenceSubscriptions 01/Jul/10, 17:54:14 logged in
I Chat 01/Jul/10, 17:54:16 Setting exception handler for service Chat
I Chat 01/Jul/10, 17:54:16 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Directory 01/Jul/10, 17:54:18 Setting exception handler for service Directory
I Directory 01/Jul/10, 17:54:18 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Directory 01/Jul/10, 17:54:18 LDAP version of groups initialized debug for D:\domino\StGroups
I Directory 01/Jul/10, 17:54:18 Initialized StGroupsLdap ldap interface, version 8.5.0.0
I Directory 01/Jul/10, 17:54:18 Initialization completed
I Directory 01/Jul/10, 17:54:18 Browse service is disabled
I UserInfo 01/Jul/10, 17:54:18 Logged In
I ChatLoggin 01/Jul/10, 17:54:19 Setting exception handler for service ChatLogging
I ChatLoggin 01/Jul/10, 17:54:19 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I UserInfo 01/Jul/10, 17:54:20 Logged In
I STLinks 01/Jul/10, 17:54:23 Started, Version 8.5 Mobile Fri Dec 19 00:00:01 EST 2008
I Resolve 01/Jul/10, 17:54:26 Setting exception handler for service Resolve
I Resolve 01/Jul/10, 17:54:26 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Resolve 01/Jul/10, 17:54:26 LDAP version of resolve initialized debug for D:\domino\StResolveDll
I Resolve 01/Jul/10, 17:54:26 Initialized resolve ldap interface, version 8.5.0.0
I Resolve 01/Jul/10, 17:54:26 Initialization completed
I UserStorag 01/Jul/10, 17:54:27 Setting exception handler for service UserStorage
I UserStorag 01/Jul/10, 17:54:27 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I UserStorag 01/Jul/10, 17:54:28 Initialized stuserstoragenotes notes interface, version 8.5.0.0
I UserStorag 01/Jul/10, 17:54:28 Initialization completed
I Privacy 01/Jul/10, 17:54:28 Setting exception handler for service Privacy
I Privacy 01/Jul/10, 17:54:28 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Privacy 01/Jul/10, 17:54:29 Initialized Privacy notes interface, version 8.5.0.0
I Privacy 01/Jul/10, 17:54:29 Initialization complete
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 Setting exception handler for service Mux
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 Mux configured to login to following servers:127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1)
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 Mux configured to Http Server on ip=10.14.50.112, port=80
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 Mux configured to max of 200 favoured http connections
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 Mux configured to manage persistent channels to following services: 49 53 57
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 CBR initialization:
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 CBR entry: url=/meetingcbr, serverIp=10.14.50.112, port=8081
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 CBR entry: url=/broadcastcbr, serverIp=10.14.50.112, port=8083
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 Mux configured to thresholdInterval=10, thresholdMessageCounter=5000, thresholdCreateCounter=2000, thresholdSendCounter=2000
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 Mux configured to trust all client IP addresses
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 Mux configured to Round Robin server designation.
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 Logged in to server 127.0.0.1, loginId <17 0a0e3270>
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 Changing Http server IP on login: ip=127.0.0.1
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 Received CONNECTIVITY update from configuration
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 Received port update: port=1533
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 Received Http port update: port=8082
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 Received Https port update: port=0
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 Received Http server hostname update: hostname=10.14.50.112, ip=10.14.50.112
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 Received Http server port update: port=80
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 Received meeting CBR port update: port=8081
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 Received broadcast CBR port update: port=554
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:30 Mux configured to listen on ports 1533 on all ips of the of machine, listenerType=VP
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:31 Mux configured to listen on ports 8082 on all ips of the of machine, listenerType=VP
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:31 CBR configuration update:
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:31 CBR entry: url=/meetingcbr, serverIp=10.14.50.112, port=8081
I Mux 01/Jul/10, 17:54:31 CBR entry: url=/broadcastcbr, serverIp=10.14.50.112, port=554
I AdminServi 01/Jul/10, 17:54:31 Setting exception handler for service AdminServices
I AdminServi 01/Jul/10, 17:54:31 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Security 01/Jul/10, 17:54:32 Setting exception handler for service Security
I Security 01/Jul/10, 17:54:32 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Security 01/Jul/10, 17:54:32 Monitoring server 127.0.0.1
I Security 01/Jul/10, 17:54:32 Security SA started: securityLevel=25, allow unsecure logins=FALSE, sendMessage=FALSE, pause_interval=1000
I Security 01/Jul/10, 17:54:32 Security loggedIn
I Policy 01/Jul/10, 17:54:36 Started, Version 8.5.0.0
I FileTransf 01/Jul/10, 17:54:41 Setting exception handler for service FileTransfer
I FileTransf 01/Jul/10, 17:54:41 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I FileTransf 01/Jul/10, 17:54:44 MaxFileSize property set: <2000KB>
I FileTransf 01/Jul/10, 17:54:44 The mode is OFF, no dll will be loaded
--- Ende Zitat ---
eknori:
Momentan sieht es so aus, das das Deaktivieren des Chat Logging eine Verbesserung der Stabilitäöt gebracht hat.
Vor der Deaktivierung fanden sich zahlreiche Einträge in der sametime.log
--- Zitat ---I Places 01/Jul/10, 17:25:14 Setting exception handler for service Places
I Places 01/Jul/10, 17:25:14 Started, version 8.5.0.0
E Places 01/Jul/10, 17:25:15 Failed to load chatLogging BB or find one of its functions
E Places 01/Jul/10, 17:25:15 Logging initialization failed for ChatLog library []
I Places 01/Jul/10, 17:25:15 Terminated
E Places 01/Jul/10, 17:25:15 Exception handler: Create process: "D:\domino\nsd.exe" -ini "D:\domino\notes.ini" -p 1692 -log "D:\domino\trace\NSD_Places_100701_172515.txt"
E Places 01/Jul/10, 17:25:15 Exception handler: Process created.
I ChatLoggin 01/Jul/10, 17:25:23 Setting exception handler for service ChatLogging
I ChatLoggin 01/Jul/10, 17:25:23 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I ChatLoggin 01/Jul/10, 17:25:24 ChatLoggingMgr::setMode: mode <1>
E ChatLoggin 01/Jul/10, 17:25:24 Failed to load chatLogging BB or find one of its functions
E ChatLoggin 01/Jul/10, 17:25:24 Logging initialization failed for ChatLog library []
I ChatLoggin 01/Jul/10, 17:25:24 Terminated
E ChatLoggin 01/Jul/10, 17:25:24 Exception handler: Create process: "D:\domino\nsd.exe" -ini "D:\domino\notes.ini" -p 4624 -log "D:\domino\trace\NSD_ChatLogging_100701_172524.txt"
E ChatLoggin 01/Jul/10, 17:25:24 Exception handler: Process created.
I Places 01/Jul/10, 17:26:38 Setting exception handler for service Places
--- Ende Zitat ---
Ich vermute mal, dass sich der Server duch die
--- Zitat ---E ChatLoggin 01/Jul/10, 17:25:24 Exception handler: Create process: "D:\domino\nsd.exe" -ini "D:\domino\notes.ini" -p 4624 -log "D:\domino\trace
--- Ende Zitat ---
immer weiter hochschaukelt, bis die Resourcen aufgebracht sind und dann den Geist aufgibt.
Hier noch ein paar mehr Infos zum Chat Logging
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/sametime/v8r5/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.help.sametime.v85.doc/admin/admin_st_chat_log.html
und
http://www-10.lotus.com/ldd/stwiki.nsf/dx/New_features_of_IBM_Lotus_Sametime_8.0.1_chatlogging_and_how_to_extend_its_SDK
Die
--- Zitat ---Failed to load chatLogging BB or find one of its functions
--- Ende Zitat ---
Meldungen beziehen sich dann wohl auf die im ersten Link beschriebene nicht vorhandene chatlogging.ini.
hallo.dirk:
--- Code: ---I UserInfo 11/Jun/10, 08:58:30 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I StAuthenti 11/Jun/10, 08:59:22 LDAP version of authentication initialized debug for StAuthenticationLdap_STT120MCU
I Log 11/Jun/10, 08:59:24 Notes version of Log initializes debug for e:\Lotus\Domino\stmeetinglogger.exe
I StAuthenti 11/Jun/10, 08:59:26 LDAP version of authentication initialized debug for StAuthenticationLdap_STWBServer
I StAuthenti 11/Jun/10, 08:59:38 LDAP version of authentication initialized debug for StAuthenticationLdap_stav
I StAuthenti 11/Jun/10, 08:59:39 LDAP version of authentication initialized debug for StAuthenticationLdap_STAuthenticationServer
I Server 11/Jun/10, 09:01:07 Setting exception handler for service Server
I Server 11/Jun/10, 09:01:07 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Server 11/Jun/10, 09:01:07 Community name for client use is set to for server xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
I Config 11/Jun/10, 09:01:08 Setting exception handler for service Config
I Config 11/Jun/10, 09:01:08 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Config 11/Jun/10, 09:01:08 Initialized StConfig.dll file interface, version 8.5.0.0
I Config 11/Jun/10, 09:01:08 Initialization completed
I Logger 11/Jun/10, 09:01:10 Setting exception handler for service Logger
I Logger 11/Jun/10, 09:01:10 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Log 11/Jun/10, 09:01:10 Notes version of Log initializes debug for e:\Lotus\Domino\StLogger.exe
I Log 11/Jun/10, 09:01:10 Initialized Log notes interface, version 8.5.0.0
I Log 11/Jun/10, 09:01:10 Initialization completed
I Places 11/Jun/10, 09:01:11 Setting exception handler for service Places
I Places 11/Jun/10, 09:01:11 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Places 11/Jun/10, 09:01:11 Places is operating in mode OFF (0)
I Users 11/Jun/10, 09:01:12 Setting exception handler for service Users
I Users 11/Jun/10, 09:01:12 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I StAuthenti 11/Jun/10, 09:01:12 LDAP version of authentication initialized debug for StAuthenticationLdap_StUsers
I TokenAuthe 11/Jun/10, 09:01:12 Initialized authentication ldap interface, version 8.5.0.0
I TokenAuthe 11/Jun/10, 09:01:12 Initialization completed
I OnlineDir 11/Jun/10, 09:01:13 Setting exception handler for service OnlineDir
I OnlineDir 11/Jun/10, 09:01:13 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I STPresenceCompatibility 11/Jun/10, 09:01:16 ,started version 8.5.0.6
I Server 11/Jun/10, 09:01:17 Logged in to server xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
I STPresenceCompatibility 11/Jun/10, 09:01:19 logged in
I STPresence 11/Jun/10, 09:01:20 ,started version 8.5.0.6
I STPresence 11/Jun/10, 09:01:24 logged in
I STPresenceSubscriptions 11/Jun/10, 09:01:25 ,started version 8.5.0.6
I STPresenceSubscriptions 11/Jun/10, 09:01:28 logged in
I Chat 11/Jun/10, 09:01:31 Setting exception handler for service Chat
I Chat 11/Jun/10, 09:01:31 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Directory 11/Jun/10, 09:01:32 Setting exception handler for service Directory
I Directory 11/Jun/10, 09:01:32 Started, version 8.5.0.0
W Directory 11/Jun/10, 09:01:32 Browse DLL: Ldap Browse enabled
I Directory 11/Jun/10, 09:01:32 LDAP version of browse initialized debug for e:\Lotus\Domino\StBrowse
I Directory 11/Jun/10, 09:01:32 Initialized StBrowseLdap ldap interface, version 8.5.0.0
I Directory 11/Jun/10, 09:01:32 LDAP version of groups initialized debug for e:\Lotus\Domino\StGroups
I Directory 11/Jun/10, 09:01:32 Initialized StGroupsLdap ldap interface, version 8.5.0.0
I Directory 11/Jun/10, 09:01:32 Initialization completed
I Directory 11/Jun/10, 09:01:32 1 Address book < name:"eu-imldap.europe.xxx" file: server: port: >
I Directory 11/Jun/10, 09:01:32 Browse service is enabled
I ChatLoggin 11/Jun/10, 09:01:33 Setting exception handler for service ChatLogging
I ChatLoggin 11/Jun/10, 09:01:33 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I UserInfo 11/Jun/10, 09:01:34 Logged In
I STLinks 11/Jun/10, 09:01:36 Started, Version 8.5 Mobile Fri Dec 19 00:00:01 EST 2008
I UserInfo 11/Jun/10, 09:01:36 Logged In
I Resolve 11/Jun/10, 09:01:38 Setting exception handler for service Resolve
I Resolve 11/Jun/10, 09:01:38 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Resolve 11/Jun/10, 09:01:38 LDAP version of resolve initialized debug for e:\Lotus\Domino\StResolveDll
I Resolve 11/Jun/10, 09:01:38 Initialized resolve ldap interface, version 8.5.0.0
I Resolve 11/Jun/10, 09:01:38 Initialization completed
I UserStorag 11/Jun/10, 09:01:39 Setting exception handler for service UserStorage
I UserStorag 11/Jun/10, 09:01:39 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I UserStorag 11/Jun/10, 09:01:39 Initialized stuserstoragenotes notes interface, version 8.5.0.0
I UserStorag 11/Jun/10, 09:01:39 Initialization completed
I Privacy 11/Jun/10, 09:01:40 Setting exception handler for service Privacy
I Privacy 11/Jun/10, 09:01:40 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Privacy 11/Jun/10, 09:01:40 Initialized Privacy notes interface, version 8.5.0.0
I Privacy 11/Jun/10, 09:01:40 Initialization complete
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 Setting exception handler for service Mux
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 Mux configured to login to following servers:127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1)
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 Mux configured to Http Server on ip=xxx.xxx.xxx.35, port=80
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 Mux configured to max of 200 favoured http connections
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 Mux configured to manage persistent channels to following services: 49 53 57
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 CBR initialization:
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 CBR entry: url=/meetingcbr, serverIp=xxx.xxx.xxx.35, port=8081
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 CBR entry: url=/broadcastcbr, serverIp=xxx.xxx.xxx.35, port=8083
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 Mux configured to thresholdInterval=10, thresholdMessageCounter=5000, thresholdCreateCounter=2000, thresholdSendCounter=2000
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 Mux configured to trust all client IP addresses
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 Mux configured to Round Robin server designation.
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 Logged in to server 127.0.0.1, loginId <17 095d0e223>
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 Changing Http server IP on login: ip=127.0.0.1
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 Received CONNECTIVITY update from configuration
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 Received port update: port=1533
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 Received Http port update: port=8082
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 Received Https port update: port=0
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 Received Http server hostname update: hostname=de-nim01.de.xxx, ip=xxx.xxx.xxx.35
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 Received Http server port update: port=80
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 Received meeting CBR port update: port=8081
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:41 Received broadcast CBR port update: port=554
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:42 Mux configured to listen on ports 1533 on all ips of the of machine, listenerType=VP
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:42 Mux configured to listen on ports 8082 on all ips of the of machine, listenerType=VP
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:42 CBR configuration update:
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:42 CBR entry: url=/meetingcbr, serverIp=xxx.xxx.xxx.35, port=8081
I Mux 11/Jun/10, 09:01:42 CBR entry: url=/broadcastcbr, serverIp=xxx.xxx.xxx.35, port=554
I AdminServi 11/Jun/10, 09:01:43 Setting exception handler for service AdminServices
I AdminServi 11/Jun/10, 09:01:43 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Server 11/Jun/10, 09:01:xxx Logged in to server xxx.xxx.96.249
I Security 11/Jun/10, 09:01:xxx Setting exception handler for service Security
I Security 11/Jun/10, 09:01:xxx Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Security 11/Jun/10, 09:01:xxx Monitoring server 127.0.0.1
I Security 11/Jun/10, 09:01:xxx Security SA started: securityLevel=25, allow unsecure logins=FALSE, sendMessage=FALSE, pause_interval=1000
I Security 11/Jun/10, 09:01:49 Security loggedIn
I FileTransf 11/Jun/10, 09:01:54 Setting exception handler for service FileTransfer
I FileTransf 11/Jun/10, 09:01:54 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I Policy 11/Jun/10, 09:01:55 Started, Version 8.5.0.0
I Polling 11/Jun/10, 09:02:01 Setting exception handler for service Polling
I Polling 11/Jun/10, 09:02:01 Started, version 8.5.0.0
I STReflector 11/Jun/10, 09:02:03 Started, Version 8.5.0.0:
20091205.181923-0500
SAMETIME8.5_20091205.1727_WIN32AIXSOLLIN_WESTFORD
I Policy 11/Jun/10, 09:02:05 LoggedIn
I FileTransf 11/Jun/10, 09:02:08 AllowFileTransfer property set: <1>
I FileTransf 11/Jun/10, 09:02:08 MaxFileSize property set: <1000KB>
E FileTransf 11/Jun/10, 09:02:08 Failed to load File Transfer BB or find one of its functions
E FileTransf 11/Jun/10, 09:02:08 Can not initialize virus scan BB due to an error in mapping the virus scan API methods
W FileTransf 11/Jun/10, 09:02:08 The mode is RELAX - no dll is loaded
[...]
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so sieht mein Start aus..
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